Leman: “Well frack me and call me a Fenrisian wenches bitch, yer actually did it ye utter mad lad. 15. That's why people see Him differently and interpret His words in different ways (like how the Custodes heard Him referring to the Primarchs as numbers, Land sees him as the Omnissiah, etc. There's a reason that famous painting of the Emperor confronting Horus on the Vengeful Spirit has three central figures, and the body of Sanguinius is one of them. The infant Guilliman’s capsule fell to earth on Macragge,. CryptoYou say that, but he goes out of his way to protect Guilliman, both in 30k and after Guilliman’s revival. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its worlds. I think there's a difference between channeling into a mind and making something's warp presence of your own image. ‘Roboute Guilliman. Think about it, Guilliman was the only primarch. "That's a rare weapon indeed," Magnus said, "A useless and broken weapon. . This bloated, rotten carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope, but by fear, hate and ignorance. Inevitable and actually really solid for Guilliman as a mechanic. The speculation is that Guilliman goes to talk with the Emperor, and emerges with the Emperors sword. A lot of people believe that the Lion will start a civil war against Guilliman after waking up and seeing what the Imperium has become. ‘Roboute Guilliman. What horrors you have endured, I cannot imagine. The rest of 30k still feels pretty grim. Then Guilliman shows up at the end, with more, fresh, men, a sizable fleet, and a brand new bible book for everyone to conform too. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. Nurgle's garden is incinerated. Emperor meeting with Imperator Guilliman of Ultramar Empire together with President Angron of Nurceria would be hilarious. The other problem is the immediate internecine Imperial conflict. In that state, He denies He is cold as Magnus. That is why they talk so freely. - Plague War. And RG is a. ''I cannot say, my lord,' said Valdor. The Emperor's light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally - finally - Guilliman had seen it as a whole. Once Luther and the Fallen are dead, Lion would come back and be a problem for Guilliman. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to have my back. Unlike the Emperor who left them to die by teleporting Angron away. r/40kLore • 5 yr. Roboute and the Emperor. ‘He will want to prove he is better by feat of arms. ’ ‘I am not holy,’ said Guilliman. The Space Marines were to protect humanity and are expendable as such. Crickets_Head • 6 mo. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. ’. The whole practical/theoretical thing isn't what normal people do, because normal people have feelings making up the difference. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. 3. Dante is sick but has been leading a chapter only, 1000 marines give or take. ’ Mathieu took a step backwards. Together, Konor and Roboute united much of the planet and put forward many neccessary, but unpopular reforms (well, unpopular amongs the. The prior Ecclesiarch tried to lead a coup against him. Within the universe, Guilliman very well may be capable of showing them all a better way (notwithstanding that this "better way" is coming from a man who commits genocide on a Tuesday), which is exactly why out of universe it'll never happen. That he accepted, though it was a burden to be so. It is very likely that the Emperor did more in his trip besides obtain the stuff to create the primarchs. The priest shrugged. Better that we had all burned in the fire of Horus' ambition than lived to see this. Despite the Emperor absolutely detesting Roboute Guilliman and wanting his life support cut off, in the Gathering Storm event of 40k canon, Guilliman finally awakens and has the exact same horrified and furious reaction to the bottomless cruelty and stupidity of the 41st millennium Imperium as the text-to-speech Emperor did. Sure the Ultramarines are still around but none of the ones that were alive millennia ago, when Guilliman was last conscious. The Emperor had allowed them to love Him, and to believe He loved them in return. While no-one can actually verify what was spoken of the fact that there was communication suggests the Emperor's may yet be healed. Jarax · 8/9/2017. ’ ‘Failure. Nor did Sanguinius, who had powers of foresight second only to the Emperor Himself. To Guilliman, the dire state of the Imperium was a horrifying surprise. There was great warpcraft in the weapon. We know that the Ecclesiarchy and Guilliman are not the best of friends. The conversation with Guilliman after he returned is Roboute talking to a semi-ascended deity whose mind and soul are fractured beyond belief. Life_South_907 Dark Angels • 1 yr. ’ Achallor dipped his head. ’ He heard all these at once. Though he knew that openly purging them for no legal reason other than “I ordered you to” would likely start a civil war even bigger and more destructive than the Horus Heresy. ’ ‘Liar. A cheap tactic. Big Papa Blue shows up, wipes the floor with them tactically. The traitor Primarchs make sense from their perspectives too. Business, Economics, and Finance. Such they had the best toys, deployed all the tactics from just about every legion, had special training so they didn't rely on techmarines/mars, and many of the original Terrans had psychic wards placed on them by Big E himself, making. At least the "blessing by the militant-apostolic" must be jarring for him. In that state, He denies He is cold as Magnus accuses Him of being. By breaking the legion Guilliman wanted to send a message to the other traitor legions that their best could be broken. Right now Chaos has three wayward brothers, and Guilliman could use some help. ‘And to you, son of the Emperor of Mankind, my ally, and my enemy. 49. iirc Guilliuman hunted Fulgrim for two reasons. But found only conflicting stories and myth. 'I apologise. A Space Marine fighting a Primarch by himself. Arkhan had expected the Omnissiah’s dispassionate demeanour, but to witness it in so intimate a context was inspiring in the extreme. Guilliman is a Warrior King Statesman there to stabilize the Empire and stop (or slow) the rot. ‘Father?’ The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. ‘I find your familiarity refreshing. In the throne room Guilliman saw the Emperor for what he truly was, a desiccated skeleton on the golden throne trapped and resentful. They made sure they left their conquered worlds. ”. ‘Tjejren was a servant of the Emperor once. The Siege of Terra was over, but there were the Scouring which the loyal sons would give chase to the. The few crew on the command deck tried very hard not to listen in. At some point you must realize that there exists things other then governance. The Silent King looms over him, ready to stab him through the heart. Populations. He did write that the Emperor impresses his abstract thoughts onto people's minds and they interpret that message through their own filter, though. That is not to say that the Emperor wasn't always strong. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. oh lord, Leg's head is going to explode. The Custodians' captain-general gave it to him; Guilliman did not begrudge the priest his awe. Along with the conclusion of a story that’s been in the works since the days of Roboute Guilliman’s awakening, new editions of the original books (Dark Imperium and Plague War) are soon to be available for pre-order. The reason he follows the Emperor closely is because (most of the time) he thinks those two things align. Theoretical, Guilliman thought savagely now, turning his anger against his traitorous mind. When Guilliman went into stasis he was objectively a loyal servant of the Emperor. Did the emperor love his primarch sons? In the indometus era Guilliman is said to have contemplated this upon his meeting with the Emperor. Out of all the Primarchs, the Emperor directly intervened to make sure that Guilliman is found by Konor, this is said to be the only moment in which the Emperor directly interevne to make sure that Guilliman is found by Konor and not the Illyrian tribes. So at the minimum that's one primarch with a similar level of accomplishment as Guilliman before being found again by the Emperor. The Emperor is playing 4D warp-chess against invincible odds in a situation where rules do not even matter. They were things. Guilliman may even have been able to resist if he wanted to. So help me, I want to read this in something. He's no longer the Emperor's assassin. Guilliman recoiled from the adoration shining from. The building whoop of powerful weapons charging rang out across the heavens. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman is the lone Primarch in charge of Ultramar, blocked from Terra by the Ruinstorm. Dante had seen the primarch before, shut away in a stasis field in the Fortress of Hera on Macragge, where he had sat a second from death for most of the Imperium's history. To be honest, I didn’t like the book. Perhaps him hearing the Emperor say “you were my tools” was just what Roboute thought all along, thus the illusion fit the image. Context: After a mean fight with the Night Lords and Konrad, Guilliman and the Lion are teleported to Sotha thanks to Dantioch activating the Pharos. Abaddon kills the Custodes. Thematically, the shield is a good way to remind him that he's not the scalpel he once was. ‘I shall depart today, for the Emperor. And if the High Lords wish to deny the authority of the Regent, know that they deny themselves to legitimacy of leadership of the Imperium, for they succeeded the Council of Terra on orders of Guilliman's reformation of the Imperium. -It was the destiny of the Dark Angels, and all Space Marines to endure constant war. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. The flames on the Emperor’s Sword flared. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. 31. Faith was his mode of thought, and Guilliman had disdained it. I think this is a cool scene because you have a human Imperial arguing against the Emperor being a God which is very rare imo. The Emperor of the East Roman Empire who even though he tried could not restore the West. For a moment, Guilliman contemplates being a farmer with a simpler life. ‘Roboute Guilliman. The Word Bearers' way of war had annoyed him. He heard all these at once. I think there's a difference between channeling into a mind and making something's warp presence of your own image. Shamed, Helbrecht promoted a number of his most seasoned Sword Bretheren to the rank of Marhsal and bade them muster new crusades, into whose ranks the Black Templars. Then, the way he coalesces different versions of himself from across the galaxy so that he can have a coherent enough mind and personality to speak with Guilliman - I didn't specifically imagine it this way but it made perfect sense. Two things, from what I understand: 1) The Ultramarines were the biggest Legion of the HH so Guilliman could strong-arm the other primarchs, and 2) Guilliman is generally depicted as the "statesman Primarch", very good at administration and persuasion, especially after Horus was gone. ‘Greetings, Eldrad Ulthran, Farseer of the Aeldari,’ said Guilliman. The priest shrugged. He appeared dead. C) even if I wanted to kill Guilliman, he managed to outsmart every move the High Lords of Terra made to killing him. Yes, but you are talking about the events of GodBlight itself, while the info in my post is pointing towards the situation after GodBlight events: "Nurgle's Garden and the entire garden recoils. Perhaps that tipped it. ‘Lorgar was wrong about our creator. One of the most beloved figures in the Imperium, Sanguinius was among both the most noble and mightiest Primarchs. This again would lead to a pretty close brotherhood between the two. Advertisement. And that for me makes him a candidate for emperor. By helping Angron, Guilliman would avoid breeding the same kind of animosity that the Emperor did. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. Guilliman was clearly favored, Perturabo would have resented that about as much as he resented Dorn's treatment. The Emperor’s words burned him. See full list on warhammer40k. Guilliman ultimately wants nothing less than to destroy the Imperium as it exists and rebuild it anew. Roboute and the Emperor. He kinda goes back and forth on it, he's mad because he feels the Emperor looks at him as a tool only to be used to achieve his own ends. Guilliman is a supreme statesman, he's also able to do the same thing. His charisma, humility, and loyalty to the Emperor to the point of self-sacrifice has earned him a great deal of reverence, even in. - Dark Imperium. Well, that is why, among other things, both the Custodes and Space Wolves don't trust him. The source of their conflicts was never Guilliman doing something the Lion hated. Dark Imperium: Godblight, the next book in the Dark Imperium series, was announced during the Black Library Preview way back in December 2020. Both the Emperor and Malcador hint that Guilliman was their back up and they intended for him to take over should the Emperor be lost. My theory is that Guilliman knew he and his siblings wouldn't be always around to guide the Legions. My personal theory is it wasn't the Emperor who possessed Guilliman, but his[Guilliman's] presence in the Warp. The Emperor did not love His sons. Mortarion glanced down at the Emperor’s sword. IndySoccerFan25 • 6 yr. Guilliman is very painfully aware that he can't simply pick up as 30k intended before everything got twisted, especially when it comes to worshiping the emperor as a god. Sanguinius dying is as important to the creation of the modern Imperium as Uncle Ben dying is to the creation of Spider-Man. The first, Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children represented the pinnacle of space marines. ’ ‘Failure. The Emperor may have vocalized that Horus was. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. Despite his injuries Dante demands to be taken. ’ ‘Betrayer. ‘Guilliman. Saying the exact same thing in 40k is heresy of the highest order because in 40k the Emperor is a god and is intrinsic to the Imperium he rules. Some were defenders of the people, some were absolutely loyal to the Emperor, and some were just too good to go down the dark path of treachery and deceit. Horus will be forced to acknowledge the Emperor again, and Guilliman and the others will not usurp their true master. One more theory is that the Emperor was setting up for a civil war between the Primarchs as Malcador discussed in Malcador - The First Lord of the Imperium. Even Horus laments how he has the lunatics and dregs of the primarchs on his side. Guilliman is not loyal to the Emperor, he is loyal to humanity and will do what it takes for them. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp. He was not the man who brought. It was actually kind of wild that Guilliman when given the chance didn't give Mortarion the true death he deserved. What hurt most deeply was what went unsaid. Didnt Guilliman say something along the lines of that the Emperors humanity is gone? And now hes just simply cold logical and uncaring. - YouTube 0:00 / 27:34 THE EMPEROR SPEAKS! TRUTH OF HIS CONVERSATION WITH GUILLIMAN! Wolf Lord Rho 120K subscribers Subscribe 9. He's now the Imperium's defender. A test of his loyalty -- assuming his return isn't immediately followed by another private session with the Emperor telling him to build a new Imperium, as you suggested. ’ His voice softened further, becoming yet more human, and his heroic expression did not change exactly, but he somehow became more relatable. ‘But we shall see the truth of it in a second, Sister. Source: freelance editor and university. During Roboute's absence, Konor Guilliman's co-consul, a man name Gallan, had unleashed a coup d'etat against Konor -- a development far from unknown historically, if in this instance a surprise. The emperor lists off several names and titles for him at once when he first addresses guiliman. The emperor only gives a shit about him because he’s all that’s left. Monarchia, then was both lesson and warning. He's out for smokes, he'll be right back. ago. Guilliman is the Emperor’s favorite son. ‘So was Horus. The secudus was the pinnacle of that. First, when Guilliman was wounded by Fulgrim, Emperor literally pulls Guilliman out of the Warp, keeping him alive long enough to be put into stasis. Mathieu the priest doesn't very much like that but cannot do anything about it because she's a close friend and subordinate to Guilliman. ” “No, it is too important… even if what you say is true, I cannot return to Caliban yet. The sacrifice required to keep the Emperor alive sickened the primarch. Guilliman saved her from execution and put her into his newly formed geek squad that tries to uncover true history. I think Thiel and Dolor trump Gage, if only because Gage disappeared on the Macragge's Honour chasing Kor Phaeron after Calth and didn't return until after Bobby G was put in stasis. Well, Rogal did say the Emperor's delusions were growing worse. The way the Emperor sort of had to notice Guilliman first, the way you might take a second to notice an ant crawling on you. ‘I can never believe that,’ he said. ”Roboute Guilliman never forgot what caused his adoptive father's death. Lion thought Guilliman was trying to become The Emperor 2. In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness in a rotten corpse for over 10,000 years would probably do that to you though so. TheEvilBlight Administratum • 3 yr. Guilliman vs Mortarion on Iax. Guilliman was clad in a magnifcent new suit of armour, an ornate masterwork that had travelled all the way. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Saying the exact same thing in 40k is heresy of the highest order because in 40k the Emperor is a god and is intrinsic to the Imperium he rules. ago IndySoccerFan25 SPOILER [Book Excerpt] [Dark Imperium: Plague War] Guilliman and Mortarion have a chat Guilliman and Mortarion finally come face to face, and have a nice chat after being reunited as long lost brothers. The Lion survived a planet exploding. As any us would be, Guilliman is rightly upset having been lied to and feels used and betrayed. Didnt Guilliman say something along the lines of that the Emperors humanity is gone? And now hes just simply cold logical and uncaring. I'd probably go as far as say armywide, since many of the Strategums would be more useful away from Guilliman. Guilliman tried to remember how tall the. Context: Sulymanya is a Rogue Trader who doesn't believe in the Emperor as a God. During the formation of Imperium Secundus, Euten advised that Guilliman crown himself Emperor. There's a reason that famous painting of the Emperor confronting Horus on the Vengeful Spirit has three central figures, and the body of Sanguinius is one of them. Plot summary of Wrath of Magnus. ‘Confess, preacher,’ said Guilliman. The Eldar, back before the Fall, were slavers. The emperor considers Guilliman his greatest achievement and hope for mankind. Emperor was trying to tell them to pick up the pace. When the blade had been presented to Guilliman by the captain-general of the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor’s fall, it had somehow fitted his primarch’s stature. The Emperor to break character and talk to his sons remotely, which he couldn't be asked to do when Guilliman returned, when Horus was tempted, when Magnus fell to the dark powers, when Russ went to arrest Magnus, and a lot of other times. Remember that Guilliman was revived on Macragge, far from Terra, and it was on Macragge that he learned about the past ten thousand years. ago. Why did the Emperor speak to Guilliman but the High Lords of Terra have to rely on pure happenstance with The Emperor's Tarot to try to determine the Emperor's Will when governing the Imperium? Reply replyIn the wake of the Emperor's death, Roboute Guilliman finds a child of unusual psychic strength, and senses a strong bond with the boy. ‘Guilliman is a misguided fool at best, and a traitorous dog at worst. Even with all the work he managed to do, he'd be deemed another horus by all those who believe in the Emperor as a God and it'll be a civil war the imperium can't afford. ‘I find your familiarity refreshing. ‘So was Horus. It would more likely just re-form in the warp. Death World savages aren't noble savages, they are just plain savages. Guilliman would still help Angron with his rebellion, which would save the lives of his gladiator friends. Gives a speech about the glory of slaying the enemy, but doesn't actually care, just wants to hold the Warband together. ‘No axe can ever be too sharp,’ the man replied without looking up. Guilliman, and his forces that the defenders could have really used, showed up after E had killed. ‘Let me die knowing what you are,’ Guilliman whispered. If He were alive. Szarekh, seeming more than a little bored, just no-sells the entire fight until Bobby G sees some pattern in his style and adapts to match it, scoring one (1) pretty big hit. It is a time of Legend. The primarch's physical presence hit Dante hard. The more I think about it the more I really like the idea of allowing Guilliman to grant a single Ultramarines Strategum use for free to a unit within 6". In any of these 3 cases, Guilliman is alone to "fix" the Imperium, so he has no need for keeping in mind his father's desires. Yvraine resurrects Guilliman, and then after the shitstorm that follows right after, they have a respectful conversation with one another, and then Yvraine leaves. Guilliman looked to the book. Could be that the Emperor did not want to answer but the question arises why he did not. The Primarchs are already called demigods throughout Godblight. ‘Your killer. The Emperor did not love His sons. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. The Lion closes his eyes. As soon as it turns sunshine and rainbows it's not 40k anymore. There is only survival. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. But I have reasons to believe otherwise. To save his brothers, to kill them. A true father. He could not countenance the thought. Trading the thousands Curze did and might kill was not even with the Lions methods. The Emperor’s words burned him. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. Primarch Weapons. ‘He may ambush you,’ said Andros. The God-Emperor has even rallied enough strength to burn the gardens of Nurgle, a. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. Do we have any information or literature on how pissed…Guilliman is Julius Gaius called Caesar's proxy. ‘I know that, but I would no sooner bend my knee to him than to Horus. Reply reply. So yeah, armywide 1 Ultramarines Strategum per turn for free. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. The Horus Hearsay, where 9 drunken Primarchs say that the Emperor would totally be able to do a standing jump high enough to touch the ceiling of the throne room, and the other 9 argue that he needs a run-up, and the end result. He brought Guilliman back to life from the vastly aged husk that Nurgle’s Godblight did to him. In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness. Yeah, but guilliman and his forces are generally enough to deal with it. He was before a resplendent Emperor for all the ages. ’ He heard all these at once. 138. ‘I did not say I disapproved, Yassilli. Guilliman has the Emperor's Sword, Johnson has the Emperor's shield; I don't think the symbolism could be less obvious. Emperor was trying to tell them to pick up the pace. Guilliman still calls himself Guilliman and is power is white rather than the gold that you see from the Emperor. ’ ‘Disappointment. As a father he took time to ride and hunt with his son and teach him what he thought was importent life lessons. The seeming fact that Dorn held this position in Guilliman's stead until essentially the moment Guilliman arrived, at which point Dorn immediately abdicated and Guilliman took up the role, indicates to me that there was a pre-existing understanding of some sort that Guilliman would take the overall reigns in the Emperor's prolonged absence. Option 2: After 10k years of being tortured by a glorified toilet seat, He's got no time to lose on being nice and shit and Guilliman thinking "He must've always. Meanwhile, the worlds that the Word Bearers were bringing in to the fold of the Imperium were brought in with minimal bloodshed, but it often took them decades to bring a single planet or system in. A return to the ideals of Unity. Why would Guilliman's political enemies say that the God Emperor ordered Guilliman to nuke an emptied temple-city, when they can say that Guilliman nuked a temple-city of the God Emperor? If they time the announcement right, half the Imperium could be ready to overthrow another Horus before Guilliman can try doing fact-checked damage control. ’ ‘Thief. One might say that the promise of another loyal Primarch existing next to Guilliman would be enough, but I argue differently. . Guilliman is going to suffer now that he's back. At these rumoured stats, he'll be using the sword against most targets since he'll have 14 attacks and wound T4 on a 2 plus at D2. - Dark Imperium. King Konor was my father. This is why the Emperor never made Guilliman Warmaster, he didn't want to make him a bigger target or influence him away from his purpose. Guilliman is the Regent - his word is as if it came from the Emperor. At the end of Godblight, Roboute Guilliman is Emperor possessing Guiliman, like how some believe he did to the child in Plague Wars. Both the Emperor and Malcador hint that Guilliman was their back up and they intended for him to take over should the Emperor be lost. It was the look of the blindly faithful. That is not to say that the Emperor wasn't always strong. I want to hear you say it. 1)Because there is a major difference between building an empire and waging war. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. 3. ’ A blasphemy intended to provoke the priest. ’ ‘I am not holy,’ said Guilliman. Guilliman stated that his time on the throne made him "lose his subtlety", so instead of seeing the Emperor however he used to see him telling him he was a good boy, he got a painful light accidentally letting slip that he doesn't really care about him as a person. Thiel guns him apart with his reloaded boltgun, two-handed brace, feet anchored. Even then, he's disliked by 6 of the 9 traitor Primarchs, barring Horus, Magnus and Fulgrim. I was always told the God Emperor’s Sword was one of the most powerful melee weapons in the galaxy, able to permanently kill demons in an instant. That he is against the will of the Emperor. Moreover, Guilliman says he fights for what the Emperor believed in, past tense, not present. ‘Guilliman is your father’s echo, heart and soul. ‘He is not a god,’ said Guilliman out loud. He hates this fallen, dark Imperium, and wishes to restore it to the glory of the pre-Heresy Days. Guilliman is effectively dead on the floor during most of the exchange. . Fan base takes that and runs all the way to “THEY FUKKED, GUILLIMAN IS A XENO LOVER. There is a reason why the emperor wanted him to come back first before the lion or any of his other brothers. No random Rogue trader is gonna talk with. You cannot replace him. It's to show us how far Abby's come and that he's a real threat. Your quote appears to be verbatim from the source (p. He heard all these at once. ’ ‘Liar. One of the countless worlds lost to greater mankind during the darkness of Old Night. ’. The heat of anger coming off him beat at Mathieu. Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're asking the question. I'd say stealing away thousands upon thousands of potential Astartes candidates/actual serving Astartes to turn them into improved super soldiers that you then keep hidden until the incredibly edge case scenario of Guilliman coming back to life occurs definitely seems like a total betrayal of the Emperor and his Imperium. He never tried to be something other than what the Nails made him and can’t let go of his memories of Nuceria. injures Nurgle himself implicaton is that while this was a massive, MASSIVE, strain on the Emperor's power, he WILL do it again After his resurrection, Roboute Guilliman has gained an audience with his father, the Emperor of Mankind. On the face of it, Guilliman has spent every waking moment working. He ascended to sainthood. ‘He created me, but I assure you, priest, that He was no father. ‘My father is no god. ‘He is not a god,’ said Guilliman out loud. He set up the Word Bearers to want to go after the Ultramarines. Guilliman cannot merely say that he fights for the Emperor or in His name. He was loved, taught and raised with every care and in the expectation of excellence and success. ♫Hello Mr Emperor♫. To give you a sense of how badly screwed up the Imperium is, one of the first things Guilliman did when he returned was request basically a high-level summary of the timeline for the last 10 millennia. 3 After his resurrection, Roboute Guilliman has gained an audience with his father, the Emperor of Mankind. ’Theoretical, Guilliman thought savagely now, turning his anger against his traitorous mind. Guilliman dies, but the Emperor was using him as a Trojan horse to channel his power, he revives Guilliman now that he’s in the Garden. In fact that's probably what made him one of the most adjusted and functional Primarchs, He suffered Loss and Failure, BEFORE The Emperor Arrived and that made him more introspective and self-critical, Rather than pushing all blame onto The. But now? Guilliman finally gained his composure.